Stealing

[RamboNol]

If you disconnect that easily at such a horrid time, don't play Minecraft, or you are one unlucky person. And sensible person would lock their stuff immediately when they know how. If the server is having issues, it will be the same for most so no need to worry of stolen stuff then.

[FuManBoobs]

But then you have just being forgetful, or being ignorant of the option, or for some other reason.

Here's a question to those who voted "yes", if you were walking passed a house with it's front door open, and on a table you see a nice shiny new MacBook Pro, would you take it? If not, why not? If yes, would you be confident in telling people you took it?

[Pri]

But then you have just being forgetful, or being ignorant of the option, or for some other reason.

Here's a question to those who voted "yes", if you were walking passed a house with it's front door open, and on a table you see a nice shiny new MacBook Pro, would you take it? If not, why not? If yes, would you be confident in telling people you took it?

Depends, can I turn it on first and check if the screen is cat piss yellow?

[tigger255]

I can't really say if a would or wouldn't take it because (to me) depends on wether or not I know the person and the state or their house. If I found a chest full of diamonds in the server before I would take it I would want to know who the person is before I took them, if their house has already been grifed, if it was in a town that fell and so on. If say it was from a person that their town had fell the day before and all the signs where blank then I would want to know how active the player is, if they where a simi active player I would probely leave the diamonds, but if they haven't been on for a long time and it looks like they aren't going to come back then I would take them.

[freakboy31]

I wouldn't take a Macbook Pro, I already sided with Windows laptop.

[Dagstaff]

There has to be some amount of risk to make survival have even a modicum of liveliness to it...

[FuManBoobs]

Define liveliness?

I agree with what Tigger said. I think the server has rules that pretty much adhere to that way of thinking. Taking from expired towns/chests is fine as they're likely no longer in use.

Pri said : "The reason I instated this rule was to lower staff work loads...If we could enable automatic chest protection I would do it..."

Does that not sound like saying "We have a problem, but due to not currently having a complete solution, we're going to allow that problem to persist in some form"?

There are other solutions, such as banning those that steal. I'm not pushing for a rule change, I'm more interested in why people vote yes here, but then fail to justify it. I've yet to see any real argument from the "yes" vote.

[Stephanie]

Okay I am gonna try to explain why I voted yes.

First off I think a major issue is this is a game and not real life. You can't base the society views of stealing or moral / religious. It's a game. A game has rules that do not apply to real life hence why we play them.

Now with that said. Minecraft Multi-player without all these fancy plugin's etc. that people have make it so players can not steal and allow them to have protections. Hence being the Official rule of Minecraft is stealing from unprotected items is legal. It's part of the raiding aspect of the game.

Now with a server like this one, which provides protections (Very simple ones might I add, put a sign on it and your golden) All your valuables , and buildings are protected.
~Sign Protections on Doors, chests, Furnaces.
~QuickShop auto Chest Lock.
~Towny, permissions for only town residents/plot owners.

So with that in aspect. Let's toss in your idea if someone DC/s and forgets to close their doors.

If they followed the protections set in place. chests are locked etc. don't really matter if your door is opened.

If you have towny protections. can't open even unlocked chests or unlocked Doors.

NOW if your are ignorant to all these plugin's set in game to make your stuff safe. And still leave your doors wide open, chests unlocked. Then you have no one to blame but yourself.

ALSO if say if you dc/d for 5 minutes while in the process of protecting. What are the percentage that someone would come along in that time and actually steal from the chest.
Extremely small on the type of community we run and the size. If it was a faction server I be a little more convinced this would actually happen. (But Still Towny would protect your items)

So that is why I say yes to stealing. Its a game not real life. You will not go to jail, there is no police going to show up at your house. you will not go directly to hell if you take from a unprotected chest. If you grief someone to get to it you will get banned. Why cuz this is Minecraft Law. Not Real Life Law.

[FuManBoobs]

Thanks for posting Steph

"First off I think a major issue is this is a game and not real life."

I agree it's not real life, but I'm failing to understand why that makes it OK? Obviously we can kill people in game too without consequence, and fly...but why is it that we can't go around vandalizing other peoples builds? It's just a game?

If the object of the game was to steal then I'd agree with that point. But this is survival, and it's demonstrably better for people not to steal from others that may have put in hard work to get some useable resources(just like they put in hard work to build). It's not really a moral issue. If someone has resources stolen from them it causes annoyance at the very least, and can lead to arguments and distrust among players. Not to mention it can give unfair advantage to those stealing.

"NOW if your are ignorant to all these plugin's set in game to make your stuff safe. And still leave your doors wide open, chests unlocked. Then you have no one to blame but yourself."

I think at some point most players have to learn to lock their chests, either by being told by someone else, or by reading information elsewhere. Having items stolen from you as a learning tool isn't a positive one.

"So that is why I say yes to stealing. Its a game not real life. You will not go to jail, there is no police going to show up at your house. you will not go directly to hell if you take from a unprotected chest. If you grief someone to get to it you will get banned. Why cuz this is Minecraft Law. Not Real Life Law."

So if there are no consequences for doing things, that makes them OK?

Minecraft Law doesn't make sense. Sure, it's a game, we can fly, eat cookies and cake without getting fat, but we punish griefing, yet condone stealing. To me that's an obvious conflict. A conflict that causes annoyance and distrust, and gives unfair advantage to some players. Real life or in game, that is what happens, and that is why I can't accept the "It's only a game" answer.

[Stephanie]

It's ur personal belief then Fu. You are just 100% against stealing. lol I don't think no matter what anyone says, you will find fault in it. lol not being mean just being honest